Interview with Joe Macleod • YOW! 2020

Joe Macleod explores how poorly designed product and service endings impact customer relationships, sustainability, and business success, offering solutions for better closure.

Key takeaways
  • Good endings are crucial for customer relationships and product lifecycles, yet most businesses focus only on onboarding and retention

  • Historical religious influences, particularly Protestant vs Catholic approaches to endings, have shaped modern attitudes toward consumption and disposal

  • No-fault divorce cases demonstrate how poorly designed endings can trap people in negative situations and damage relationships

  • Netflix’s approach to embracing customer endings led to higher satisfaction rates (85-87%) compared to traditional cable TV companies

  • Many sustainability symbols and recycling marks are misleading - they often indicate financial contributions rather than actual recyclability

  • The PANTS scheme in Europe demonstrates effective end-of-life product management by incentivizing bottle returns through deposits

  • Progressive obsolescence emerged in American consumer culture, encouraging frequent replacements rather than long-term use

  • There are eight different types of endings in customer relationships, including timeout endings, proximity endings, and competitive endings

  • Poor ending experiences in products and services often lead to environmental issues, like plastic pollution

  • Businesses need to design meaningful, emotional, and actionable endings rather than passive or hostile termination experiences

  • The current sustainability movement focuses too heavily on “better purchasing” rather than addressing end-of-life product management